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There they are, the happy couple. Two people who eventually found each other, learned to live with her modeling career, his running off to battle evil, and despite the highs and lows that come with any couple with high-risk and traveling jobs, love each other and raise a happy family.

Unless your a Marvel writer and hate marriage.

Better writers than myself (ok, that’s all from the same guy, but still..) have already approached the so-called “Spider-Marriage”, and why dissolving it (or at least the way they did it) was a bad idea. However, fans of the marriage between Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson are constantly given new reasons to be annoyed. The usual culprit? Marc Guggenheim, whom I’m convinced is payed extra to draw the fire from Joe Quesada.

The last time he got the blogosphere fuming was his claim that being pro-Spidey marriage is the same as being pro-gay marriage. Yeah, I don’t get that, either, and I can refute it. However, I’d rather not bring the gay marriage debate into a non-political blog, regardless of which side your on. (Seriously, I’ll edit either side out of the comments. I have the technology.) And now he’s back to slap the MJ fans for daring to question the current Mighty Marvel Mold. From an interview with Newsarama:

 There are fifty million different criticisms of the book. Reasonable minds can disagree about how many of those criticisms are actually valid. I will say that, out of all the criticisms of ‘Brand New Day’, the one I absolutely disagree with is the notion that this is not Spider-Man. I understand all the complaints about ‘One More Day’—I really do; those complaints didn’t fall on deaf ears. However, the one thing that ‘One More Day’ didn’t do was alter continuity as broadly as people think that is has. All that happened was that Mary Jane and Peter didn’t get married. They still dated, they still were in love, and they even still lived together. I always tend to get myself into trouble when I talk about ‘One More Day’ because it’s ‘One More Day’—how can you not get in trouble for talking about it? (laugh)

All the stories that took place—happened. It’s unfortunate that people think otherwise; the plan wasn’t to undo twenty years of continuity—Marvel Comics just chose a different direction for Spider-Man. If you want to still complain about ‘One More Day’—go ahead, I get it—but I’d rather you beat us up for what the story really is. If you want to quibble about Peter Parker making a deal with the devil then so be it. But don’t go saying that hundreds of issues of comics “didn’t happen” because they did.
NRAMA: That’s a great way to put that—this sort of unwillingness to commit to a side…

MG: It just kind of fits. And that’s truly how I felt until I started writing the character. I also tend to describe the act of writing a character like driving a car—in this case, Spider-Man just handles better in terms of the outcome of ‘One More Day’.

People disagree with that statement, and even people who hated the Spider-Marriage as much as Marvel writers did disagree with how the marriage was undone. It’s totally out of character for all parties involved save Mephisto. Don’t believe the writers would specifically sabotage the marriage, or make their characters act out of character? Go back and click the “better writers than myself” up there, and then read this line from a recent interview with famed Spidey-Writer Roger Stern.

THE PULSE: I know you’ve worked on Spider-Man before and written some very memorable stories. What made you want to return to the character now at this point in time?

ROGER STERN: Well, for one thing, I’ve been reading and enjoying AMAZING SPIDER-MAN ever since the beginning of the Brand New Day storyline. It’s great to see Spider-Man really acting like Spider-Man again.And when Steve Wacker was gracious enough to ask me to write a new story…well, how could I turn that down?

 

THE PULSE: As someone who has worked on the character and had an affinity for Spider-Man, what did you think of the decision made to have his marriage to Mary Jane erased?

STERN: I think it was a good thing. I might have figured out a different way to do it, but I always thought Pete’s marriage to Mary Jane was a mistake.As a matter of fact, Marvel’s been trying to correct that particular mistake for years. I believe that the original thought behind what turned into the Clone Saga was to re-establish an unmarried Spider-Man…in a way that didn’t involve divorce or death.

 

Well, at least he agrees the way it came about wasn’t quite right.
The saddest part of the Clone Saga? They had to parody themselves to save face. Didn't work.

The saddest part of the Clone Saga? They had to parody themselves to save face. Didn't work.

As “Spidey Kicks Butt” examines, a number of writers wanted to right the Spidey they knew, or thought they knew, but I’ll get into that another time. Suffice it to say..well, let’s Stern say it.
“Mind you, I understand why some readers are upset over the end of Pete and Mary Jane’s marriage. Some of them have been reading AMAZING SPIDER-MAN for twenty years, and for them he has always been married…just as, for some, Jay Leno has always been the host of The Tonight Show, and Jon Stewart has always hosted The Daily Show.

“I sympathize with them, I really do. I myself had been reading Spider-Man for about twenty years — and had written Spider-Man for four of those years — when Marvel decided that Pete and Mary Jane should marry. Right around that time, Jim Salicrup — who was then the editor of the Spider-Man titles — offered me work on SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN. That was during a period when no one else at Marvel would even return my phone calls, and I needed the work. But I regretfully had to turn Jim down. I saw the marriage as so wrong-headed that I didn’t want to be a regular part of it.”

 

Funny, that. I hadn’t heard of Mary Jane until the wedding ads showed up in my copy of The Transformers. That was the only comic I could afford to pick up at the time, and I’ll be darned if I’m giving up my Transformers. So “my” Spider-Man came from the Amazing Friends cartoon. The only redhead Peter ever claimed to love there was Firestar. However, he did almost run off into the future with a girl he only knew a few days without even saying good-bye to Aunt May. I knew little of MJ until the 90’s Fox series. (See yesterday’s post about what I think of Fox now.) So while I’d like to dedicate this post to that, something else in Guggenheim’s interview took hold in my head before preparing this article.
 
 EDIT: Somehow, a whole paragraph or two disappeared when I had to take out two images that weren’t posting right. I’m not getting along with this engine at all.
 
Guggenheim: “All the stories that took place—happened. It’s unfortunate that people think otherwise; the plan wasn’t to undo twenty years of continuity—Marvel Comics just chose a different direction for Spider-Man. If you want to still complain about ‘One More Day’—go ahead, I get it—but I’d rather you beat us up for what the story really is. If you want to quibble about Peter Parker making a deal with the devil then so be it. But don’t go saying that hundreds of issues of comics “didn’t happen” because they did”
 Slight problem with that. Marc is saying that Mary Jane had no impact on events in Peter’s life at all. I strongly disagree. One example I found in my research (ie: looking through my comics) was during the Eighth Day  mini-crossover, in which MJ asks Peter for information about a missing friend. (Note that this is during the time MJ was being stalked, which leads to more questions.) While it is possible he would have been there in the altered timeline, it was because Mary Jane sent him there that Spider-Man was able to find the “Godmachine” which was bad news for New York. Because of this, Spidey was able to summon Thor and Iron Man, who had dealt with other “exemplars”, like the one in the Bugle’s basement. It was Spidey who brought Professor X into the story once he learned that X-Men foe The Juggernaut was also one of these exemplars. The heroes won in the end, and even had help from Juggy himself. All because MJ was there to send Pete over to the Bugle at just the right time.
 
 Another direct example would be Spidey’s black digs. After Venom attack Mary Jane for the crime of being married to “their” enemy, she freaks out at the sight of the non-brain eating black costume Peter replaced the symbiote with. Therefore, he dumps it in favor of the classic red and blue that must be a nightmare for artists. (Besides, the black suit looked cooler, but without the symbiote problem. I wonder if Roger thought that putting him in a morphing costume was a bad idea and wrong for Spider-Man?)
Unfortunately, the only image I have for the Venom terrorises MJ scene comes from Uncanny Origins, the best proof that the tounge and drool additions to Venom was just plain wrong, ugly, and stupid.
I apologise. The cartoony art really didn't work here.

The cartoony art really didn't work here.

 See, this brings up the biggest problem people have with BND reguardless of one thinks about the Spider-Marriage or Mephisto as plot device. What happened and what didn’t? Another anti-marriage showing comes from the fact that Harry (who should be dead–when MJ was around, and I can’t wait to find out how Harry’s death was Mary Jane’s fault!) isn’t married to Liz Allen anymore. So I haven’t heard her fate or that of his son. Nor have I heard if he ever became the second Green Goblin, and since he never died, what brought Norman Osborn out of hiding to steal Spidey’s daughter who never existed (the way Marvel wants it) and fake Aunt May’s death (did he even bother?)
 
This post has gone on long enough already, so let me wrap it up. Mary Jane Watson’s very appearance in Peter’s life affected everything that happened, just like everyone else in anybody’s life. If everything that happened pre OMD also happened post BND, they why are there differences? How different do you think your life would be without certain people you’ve met, both positive and negative. If I had told that girl I had a crush on I liked her back in school, I might have had a girlfriend, and maybe even a wife by now. Alternately, if I had gotten bullies off my back, high school might not have been a nightmare.
 
What Marc’s trying to say is that Mary Jane had no impact at all in Spidey’s life. Facts don’t bear that out. Reality doesn’t bear that out. Things have changed without Mary Jane Watson-Parker. That’s how the wheel of life works. To say otherwise is an insult to the character, and her fans.
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  1. ShadowWing Tronix's avatar ShadowWing Tronix says:

    Wow. I don’t know if it always looked this bad or something happened in the site’s visual theme change or WordPress’s dashboard upgrade or what, but that’s formatted really bad. I may actually consider fixing it instead of leaving it as an example of how I’ve improved.

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